For Vosk.... Solar input

@VoskCoin

There are so many things that I would like to suggest to give you some food for thought. I’m sure I will forget some, but at least I can get them down in here.

I’m in the PNW and our latitude is nearly identical to your area. I’ll give you advice based on my location and experience with my 45kw ground mount system.

I did the design, build, permitting, material acquisition, and install of my entire system. I would not really recommend doing this yourself, as you’ve suggested. It took a year from conception to activation and it was a lot of work. I would have made more $$ focusing on my business than I did installing it myself. With that said, I know just about everything there is to know about my system.

I have 96 panels in my system. Snow can be an issue and reduce production in the winter. I oriented my panels in portrait, 2 high. This way there is only one “seam” between the panels for snow to get hung up on. This will allow the snow to shed and melt faster. Most installers will install them landscape because it is easier and quicker. I am very glad I did it in portrait. The first year proved I was correct.

I used the Sunmodo racking system. It was very affordable compared to the other system and I’ve had no issues with it. I’m not a huge fan of the cast aluminum tops, but they worked out and I have not had any issues with them at all.

I ended up having to source my own panels as well as the local supplier (CED Greentech, you likely have one near you) fell through for the original panels that were selected. I ended up using BlueSun panels. I had been in contact with them for about 4-5 years prior. They are T1 panels. I wanted to go through a company for the panels for the pull for any warranty issues, but I was stuck between a rock and a hard place when the entire system was designed for a specific panel. It’s not very easy to switch panels. These were a good match and I had been in contact with bluesun for quite some time. I have not had any issues with the panels and CED even complimented on the quality of them. Ultimately, time will tell.

I would go with string inverters over micro inverters. You don’t see solar farms using micro inverters, do you? It’s because there is more to them with respect to install and also more to go wrong. Go stupid simple. String inverters are that. I always hear stories of people’s micro inverters failing. I went with Fronius as they were a great option and they have a large KW capacity for split phase. Mine are 15kw each. I have 3 units. They just came out with new ones as well and they can do battery backup. I have not had any issues with the inverters and they are cooled with a fan as opposed to just passive. Heat is a killer, I’m sure you know. Fronius is also a welding company, they are not new to building things that deal with power. They are also one of the top rated inverters in the world. I believe #1 in AUS.

I ran DC underground to my home, about 200-300 ft away, similar to yours. My DC voltage drop was about 1%. It was way cheaper to do this than convert at the panels and then run AC underground. Higher voltage travels more efficiently than lower voltage. Not only was it more efficient, but the wire was much cheaper and easier to pull this way.

I got my inverters and wire at “thepowerstore” online. They are located in TX and may have another location. Call and get pricing, it will be cheaper. I never purchased anything without “haggling”. It saved me a lot.

Get extra panels for your system so you can have a few spares of the exact same panel. This way if one gets broken/damage or fails for some reason you can simply swap one in. I have about 7 spares. I had some damaged in shipping too so I’m glad I got extras.

If you don’t have the inverters “attached to your residence” then you can do a maximum of 1kv on the DC side. You can get around this by simply putting them on a freestanding rack with unistrut etc… similar to how you have your power setup at some of your miner locations. The 1kv will be more efficient for a few reasons. You will have less “strings” and you’ll save more in transmission as well. I decided to not do any parallel combiners. Each “string” goes to it’s own MPPT on an inverter. Again, keeping things stupid simple. I oversized my PV wires for the home run by 2awg so I have room to upgrade panels/production in the future. It also decreases voltage drop and the cost was minimal.

I would only consider bifacial panels. It’s a minimal cost and you’ll generate more power and shed snow quicker in the winter. They will produce a small amount of power even when completely covered in snow. This will allow them to heat up and melt snow more quickly. It will also get your inverters to turn on more quickly in the morning. These are all minimal things, but still.

I went with the highest engineered stamp on the sunmodo racking. Most system are about 35 degrees for pre-engineered/stamped. I did this because the higher degree will allow better snow shed. I also mounted to system as high as the system design specified because you will get snow shed off the panels. It will pile up and you don’t want to be out there clearing it all the time. We don’t get a ton of snow, but we def get some so this can be an issue in snowier years.

If I were to do it again I would consider:
Heterojunction shingled bifacial panels. There’s a slight efficiency bump and the layout of the individual cells is top to bottom instead of side to side when in portrait. This combined with portrait install will allow faster snow shed as the top of the panels will be exposed first and generate power that way.

My panels are 465W. I would def go with larger panels vs smaller 400 or sub. I think around 450 or so it decent. Make sure you have glass on the front and back. You can go larger, but my feeling is you could get issues over time with them sagging/breaking.

I would consider a single axis tracking system. I don’t know the cost, but I would look into it. You can gain a LOT of production with just a single axis tracking system.

I would take more consideration in creating a an array that looks like this:

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That’s the best I can do with keyboard characters. The underscore would be facing directly south and be roughly 50% of the array and then making the other ones southwest and south east. This also allows you to utilize the space inside the array as opposed to creating two arrays like this =
You will get a better power curve through the day, which if your power company changes the rules you will be thankful for. If you have use batts you will also be thankful for it. You may even slightly generate more power.

Another consideration is bifacial panels in a vertical orientation, like a fence. There are studies showing that these are actually outperforming traditional array configurations. I believe this is due to temperatures. The vertical panels don’t trap the temperature. The efficiency goes way down in hot weather.

Extras,
I ran 120v power out to my arrays for tools or whatever you may need
I also ran an ethernet line
I added water out there too
I laid down a stabilization layer on the ground (geofabric, stuff they use for roads) and then put a light color rock on it. I did this to keep it clean and the light rock has a better albedo for reflectivity to help the bifacial panels. I’ve very glad I did this because I don’t have to mow around the panels. I walk through a few times a summer and pull the weeds, which are very easy to pull with the geofabric there.

I don’t wash my panels, I let the rain clean them. Be careful of hard water. Don’t let sprinkler water hit them or even mist them.

Use these two sites:
https://pvwatts.nrel.gov/ (insanely accurate, IMO)
https://www.suncalc.org/ (insanely useful for viewing the sun positioning)

I am sure I forgot stuff, but let me know if you have Qs. Feel free to DM or get in touch on discord/telegram. My PV system has been functional with miners running for over 2yrs.

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That’s really great info there,
I also have some BlueSun Bifacials, 16 - 460w aranged on a MtSolar monopole. Additionally, I have 32 Trina 375w panels on a South facing IronRidge racking system tilted 45 degrees as I’m near the 45 parallel in Michigan.

I too ran about 250ft of 320VDC to the house because, of the smaller wire needed for the long run. Now I’m thinking about upgrading the system to run my new L9 full time (she’s a hog :sweat_smile:)
I’ll try to attach a pic of the new power house.

Here’s a 3min vid of a YTer who may not be too far from you Vosk. He’s a solar installer that could get you started, then have locals finish up electrical indoor stuff. I know you keep wanting to hire it done, but you keep showing us how to DIY a mining farm LOL.

I love your show, miners, solar and even the prepper talk :+1:

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@FotonPharmer Thank you for sharing! Solar is great if it makes sense for your area. It barely did for me, but I saw it as a way to diversify, similar to what vosk has expressed. It may not have been the best use of money compared to other investments, but I do believe in a little diversification. I also really liked the idea of not having a power bill when I retire (hopefully sooner than later). Anything to keep retirement costs down to a minimum. I figured I would mine BTC for 10yrs. It has been 2 yrs now, roughly. I mined before that, but those days were much different and seemingly long gone. There could be a spurt of good gpu mining during the bull run, but I doubt it’ll have any staying power.

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Here is my current Setup:

48 540w Bi-Facial Panels
16 560w Bi-Facial Panels
2 EG4 18kPV inverters (240v)
8 Trophy 230Ah Batteries 90112 wh total (48v)
40’ Shipping container that holds all miners and solar panels
2 exhaust fans
1 60amp 240v circuit incase there is no Solar for several days
Starlink Internet w/ T-Mobile 5G internet (balance loaded traffic)
Tripplite Switched/Metered PDUs
Custom Built Mining Farm control software I wrote in GO. Monitors Inverters, Batteries, Solar Production, Weather conditions and miner profitability and efficient. Turns miners on and off based on weather, solar, battery and profitability/efficiency. 100% fully automated!

See photos:
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Don’t why no one is running a propane or natural gas genset its cheaper than the solar and runs day and night

I’m not sure how you come to that conclusion. Granted, if your power company doesn’t have good solar rules and you pay an exorbitant amount for what you get in solar then you’re just getting hosed and shouldn’t do solar. My solar, with btc mining and fed incentives, will be paid off next year at just 3 yrs. From there it’s free electricity. It’s a “no brainer” in my scenario.

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If you have your own natural gas well or source such as biogas that I am attempting then on paper it’s cheaper, but of course you have to drill for gas, just looking at my 3 phase 20kva lpg/NG generator it needs a service after 50 hours of run time, not sure how often it needs a service after that, oil change after 50 hours, starting costs are at least way cheaper, I doubt propane would be cheaper, mine at max load runs 10.87L an hour, propane would need to be 7.35c/litre to run at 5c/kw. Of course there are probably better and more efficient generators but it will cost more. Not to mention I bet hardly anyone here has access to cheap natural gas or a mass production farm for biogas, so for many people solar will be the best

Edit: upstream data have their portable generator they take to use on flairs which is cool https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VNrrpbtHtpg&t=84s&pp=ygUWVXBzdHJlYW1kYXRhIGdlbmVyYXRvcg%3D%3D

if someone has “free” power of any kind it will always be cheaper. :wink:

this thread is badass thanks so much for sharing all of this

@VoskCoin You’re welcome. Feel free to reach out if you want to bounce and ideas off me.